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Boskone schedule notes

The traditional notes to self about panels at Boskone, next week. (Nb.: I am cranky and dissatisfied today and it shows.)

Friday

(We are likely to miss most of this for non-convention socializing. However, in case plans change:)

7:00 p.m.:

Otis: The Rise of Modern Science

What happened in the Middle Ages which led to the rise of modern science? Why did it happen first in Europe and not elsewhere? How did science grow if the Middle Ages were really an "age of faith" without reason?

Guy Consolmagno, John Farrell, Michael F. Flynn

(Science in the Middle Ages is Flynn's Thing, which does not necessarily make for good panel.)

8:00 p.m.:

Commonwealth: Death to Peeps Fun Fest

In David Weber's Honor Harrington universe, the Peeps are a cunning, tyrannical enemy. Here, the Peeps are cute, marshmallow foodietoys. Either way, they've got as much chance as Bambi playing bumpercars with a Manty superdreadnought. Unleash your inner mad scientist as we research ways to reverse-engineer the Peeps' assembly instructions. Flutter a flock into Somebody Else's Blender, design a tragic Peeps diorama, nosh on Peep kabobs, write an ode to a Peep's gruesome end, or do something unspeakable to a Peep Cthulhu. Prizes and fun for all ages. We supply the Peeps; you supply the fiendish imagination. Remember, in the Con Suite, no one can hear you cheep. (Note: please don't think us evil. We have nothing but good intentions ...)

(I definitely want to see at least some of this, since I had fun suggesting terrible things to do to Peeps . . . )

Otis: Hidden Biases in SF

Why aren't there more blacks or Asians, Jews or Catholics or Muslims or Buddhists in even our most richly imagined futures?

Tobias Buckell, Gregory Feeley, Gregory Frost (m), Daniel Kimmel, Pamela Sargent

(It says something, I'm not sure what, that my first reaction to this is "Oh boy, I could play Bingo! *head-desk* " instead of "Gee, this might be interesting, insightful, or eye-opening." Of these panelists, I only know Buckell, and am wondering if I should steel myself to go to at least part, if I'm around, in case he needs another anti-Bingo voice . . . )

9:00 p.m.:

Otis: Writing Erotica That Appeals to Most Sexes

Can you craft your prose to appeal simultaneously to audiences with differing erotic tastes? Do you keep several different readers in mind, take care to alternate viewpoint characters, or focus-group your product? Have Samuel R. Delany and Jacqueline Carey evaded the problem just by writing incredibly well about their chosen sexual territories? What can we learn from their or other successful approaches?

Eve Ackerman (m), Beth Bernobich, Cecilia Tan, Teresa Nielsen Hayden

(Nice title.)

Saturday

10:00 a.m.:

Commonwealth A: SF and Fantasy as the Modern Myth

John Campbell, Joseph Campbell, Tolkien and George Lucas: What is the role of myth in F&SF and F&SF in myth? Does the ubiquity of SF's tropes in society support the thesis that SF is our modern myth? (And, if not, what is?)

Judith Berman (m), Debra Doyle, Greer Gilman, Sonya Taaffe

(I tilt my hand back and forth in the air, balancing-like.)

Revere: Tunguska at 100

On June 30, 1908, an exploding asteroid leveled 2000 square kilometers of Siberian forest, producing a fireball from the sky which knocked pine trees over like matchsticks near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in Russia. Such an explosion today over more populated areas could lay waste an entire city. What was it? (Do we know, yet?) What are some of the older theories, and why were they discredited? How likely is a repeat? How common are events like this? Are there any other historical records? Would we expect there to be?

Guy Consolmagno, Jeff Hecht (m), Chad Orzel

(Spousal loyalty vs. not so sure I'm interested in Tunguska vs. possibility of neat science ancedotes vs. certainty of Chad relaying any neat science ancedotes . . . )

11:00 a.m.:

Commonwealth A: A Universally Acknowledged Truth

Almost two centuries after her death, Jane Austen is more popular than ever. We see film after film of her novels, read books about her life, and encounter a surprising number of works featuring her characters, or even herself. In recent years, SF authors including S. N. Dyer, Karen Joy Fowler, and John Kessel have written stories entwined with her world and words. What is the allure? Why do so many SF writers and fans love Jane Austen?

Eve Ackerman, Beth Bernobich, Esther Friesner, Beth Meacham (m), Teresa Nielsen Hayden

(This would doubtless be more meaningful if I'd read more than Pride and Prejudice. (I think I've read one other, but I don't remember which, so that hardly counts.))

Commonwealth BC: Tops on the Tube Tonight: Good New Genre TV Shows

From Pushing Daisies and Eureka to Supernatural, Moonlight to Torchwood, Journeyman to Jericho, there's a fair bit of buzz in genre TV fandom about some new and newish shows. What separates the standouts from the nonstarters? What have they learned from shows and showrunners that have gone before? What offers any hint of originality? Where can you find the best writing? The most promising premise? The hottest honeys and hunks? And can the good survive?

Michael A. Burstein (m), Seanan McGuire, Jennifer Pelland, Eric M. Van

(Did an omission jump out at anyone else?)

Hancock: Genre Poaching

The fanzine Ansible found an interesting term proposed at a recent Modern Language Association con. "Genre poaching," as practiced by writers such as Jonathan Lethem and Cormac McCarthy, would comprise "works that have been shelved, reviewed, and studied in the realm of literary fiction but whose authors use tropes, themes, and ideas explicitly drawn from genres such as science fiction, detective fiction, romance novels, TV, and superhero comics." Drawls the MLA, "Is such co-optation destined to be condescending, reactionary, or nostalgic; or is it potentially generative of new literary forms and approaches? ... What do the authors have to say about the reprobate status of the forms they're drawing from?" Good questions.

Don D'Ammassa, Gregory Feeley, Steven Popkes

(Navel-gazing, anyone?)

Otis: Character Assassination for Fun and Profit

The death of a major character often proves upsetting for involved readers. How does it feel to the writer? What genre works have killed off their own most memorably? Does it always help the story? Which writers have a special gift for this dark art?

James D. Macdonald, Joshua B. Palmatier, Allen Steele (m), Charles Stross

(I bet I can do this right now: "It depends"; "you can do anything if you do it well"; "spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler." Next!)

Noon:

Commonwealth A: The Appeal of the Lawless Elite

Editor Patrick Nielsen Hayden has said, "Much of the genre works by appealing to our wish that the world's extra-legal violence be under the control of the kind of smart people we admire. The Second Foundation and the X-Men — and, for that matter, the Scooby Gang and the Laundry — are all, to some extent, basically the Ku Klux Klan, except that the extrajudicial violence they carry out is (we're assured) merited and just." Discuss.

Alexander Jablokov, Beth Meacham (m), Paul Park, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, Karl Schroeder

(Huh! Could collapse really badly, mind.)

1:00 p.m.:

Commonwealth A: Bringing Elfland to Poughkeepsie

LeGuin criticized mixing the modern with the high fantastic, yet Tolkien pointed out that our own green Earth is a character in ancient legends and is where the fantastic plays out. So what's wrong with mixing the high fantastic and the mundane? Discuss what works and what doesn't. Why?

S. C. Butler (m), Paul Park, Wen Spencer, Jane Yolen

(However, I'm not particularly interested in either Park or Spencer's works that do this, so . . . )

2:00 p.m.:

Hancock: Who'd'a Thunk It? Unexpected Uses of Technology

Numerous technologies wind up getting used for quite different purposes than their originators expected. Consider dynamite, bubble wrap, speed trap radar, screensavers, the Internet's massive if not main use as a conduit for pornography, and laser pointer cat toys. What other example suggest themselves? Does this phenomenon make basic research more desirable, or less? Is it ever discussed in SF? Consider some of the great SFnal inventions (the hyperdrive, AIs, cyperspace, anti-gravity, boosterspice, positronic robots, personal force fields). Can you extrapolate some unexpected uses for them?

Tobias Buckell, Chad Orzel, Karl Schroeder (m), Charles Stross

(This should be good geeky fun.)

Otis: The Best Things in the Worst Books

Editor Patrick Nielsen Hayden has said, "Sometimes the unkillable merits of otherwise terrible work are a lot more interesting to discuss than the several perfections of the best." Let's see if we can prove him right.

Kathryn Cramer (m), Wen Spencer, Teresa Nielsen Hayden

(So should this.)

Revere: The Great Book Covers

Let's talk about the truly outstanding art that has adorned science fiction, fantasy, and horror books. (By all means, bring and show examples.) How is a cover different from other artworks? Does a great cover always make a great book? Must it always both tell and sell? Do the best covers share any specific elements of content or style? Can a once-great cover go out of fashion?

Ellen Asher, Gavin Grant, Elaine Isaak, Omar Rayyan, Joe Siclari (m)

(And I like cover art discussions, darn it.)

Stone: Inside Every Fat Fantasy, There Is a Thin Story Struggling To Get Out

It has been argued that the novella is a form particularly well-suited to SF and fantasy, yet the field has tended towards big fat volumes. Should we be editing more heavily?

Debra Doyle (m), Esther Friesner, Greer Gilman, Rosemary Kirstein, Lawrence Watt-Evans

(Hmmmph. "We"?)

Webster: Whom You Should Be Reading — Old Pros Division

They're not always the bestsellers or the prizewinners. But stalwart toilers in the SF, fantasy, or horror vineyards such as Jack McDevitt, Elizabeth Willey, Ramsey Campbell, and Rosemary Kirstein offer reading enjoyment you really shouldn't miss. Bring your own picks, too. We'll discuss what their stuff is like, and suggest the work you might want to start with.

Don D'Ammassa, Beth Meacham, Pamela Sargent, Allen Steele (m), Eric M. Van

(Why is two o'clock so packed?!)

3:00 p.m.:

Hancock: God's Mechanics: How Techies Make Sense of Religion

Details TBD

Guy Consolmagno

(This could be very interesting.)

Otis: The Glamor of Elfland

Elves are glamorous. They're tall, cooler than people, dress well, have great taste in music, and are all-round athletes, as well as being immortals with magical powers. And they're in tune with nature, too. But are they really? Most elvish societies are intensely hierarchical with a few ueberelfen at the top and many more peons at the bottom. And there's no way for a peon to work his way up, since the master race is genetic. Tolkien's Elves were fairly benign, but the elves in many of the derivative fantasies that followed on don't look all that different from what we could imagine finding in a world a thousand years after a Nazi victory: the horrors at the start are long forgotten, but now there is a master race. Unfair? Discuss.

Judith Berman, Amy Thomson (m), Lawrence Watt-Evans, Jane Yolen

(Waving a copy of Lords and Ladies in the air would get about half of this, but only that.)

Webster: Spear Carriers Are People, Too

How do you make a walk-on character rounded and memorable? Can a supporting player ever be so striking that he, she, or it draws too much attention from the main cast members? What minor portaits from SF, fantasy, or horror books or movies do we still recall with fondness (or other strong emotion)?

Patricia Bray, Bruce Coville, Don D'Ammassa (m), Sharon Lee, Paul Park

("Very carefully"; "yes"; "[stuff I've never heard of]." (Hey, I said I was cranky today . . . ))

4:00 p.m.:

Otis: Urban Legends of Science, Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Fandom

The essence of an urban legend is a story or "Just So" tale that is untrue, but so attractive that it gets repeated, and spreads. Candidates from our folkways might include Archimedes in that bathtub, the evil baron's first night with the bride in innumerable medievalish fantasies, the FBI's questioning John Campbell about leaking the A-bomb, the SWAT team at Disclave, the Galilleo myth, or Dave Kyle and seating. What are some of our other tales too tall to be true? What's their basis, if any? What do they tell us about us?

Michael F. Flynn, Jordin T. Kare, James D. Macdonald (m), Teresa Nielsen Hayden

(May require a good deal of context-providing, but could be fun.)

Webster: Making Language Fit the Culture

Do languages constructed for SF and fantasy works too often become monolanguages for monocultures — where predator people mostly spit insults, while forest folk issue leafy murmurs? What well-known stories in our genres more realistically suit the way characters speak to the ways they live? How successful were the creators of 'kreegah bundolo,' 'lembas,' 'Dirac Angestun Gesept,' 'Klaatu barada nikto,' 'gom jabbar,' 'sfik,' 'shaych,' and 'frell'? What methods seem to work? Does building an actual alien grammar help? And can you ever use enough apostrophes?

James Cambias, Elaine Isaak, Fred Lerner (m), Lawrence Schoen, Sonya Taaffe

(I don't know very much about this, which might make it a reason to go.)

5:00 p.m.:

Hancock: If You Liked X, You're Gonna Love Y

Sometimes good books are alike in interesting or unexpected ways. Our neighborhood bookshop is exploiting this phenomenon to display older novels next to particularly popular new ones. Let's do the same for worthy works of SF, fantasy, and horror – and speculate on the mysterious affinities we may find between very different works of art.

Ellen Asher, Kathryn Cramer, Don D'Ammassa, Faye Ringel (m), Peter Weston

(Recommendations? Maybe?)

10:00 p.m.:

Hancock: Nominating for the Hugos: Written

The Hugo nomination deadline is only two weeks away! Join us to talk about what we liked from 2007 in the written categories.

Claire Anderson, Vince Docherty, Jim Mann, Mark L. Olson

(Why can't this be at a reasonable hour?)

Sunday

10:00 a.m.:

Stone: Quantum Teleportation

When physicists talk about "Quantum Teleportation," just how close are they to making a Star Trek transporter? This talk will cover the basics of what quantum teleportation is, what it isn't, how it works, and how to explain it to your dog.

data projector #1, Chad Orzel

(The data projector gets no actual lines. Come and hear the first-ever public reading from the forthcoming book!)

And then I have to be somewhere else at noon, so no more programming for me. Alas.

(Icon in honor of Chad's talk, which will have lots of cute dog pictures.)



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[info]yhlee
2008-02-10 02:52 am UTC (link)
Webster: Making Language Fit the Culture

Do languages constructed for SF and fantasy works too often become monolanguages for monocultures — where predator people mostly spit insults, while forest folk issue leafy murmurs? What well-known stories in our genres more realistically suit the way characters speak to the ways they live? How successful were the creators of 'kreegah bundolo,' 'lembas,' 'Dirac Angestun Gesept,' 'Klaatu barada nikto,' 'gom jabbar,' 'sfik,' 'shaych,' and 'frell'? What methods seem to work? Does building an actual alien grammar help? And can you ever use enough apostrophes?

James Cambias, Elaine Isaak, Fred Lerner (m), Lawrence Schoen, Sonya Taaffe

Damn! I wish I could go to this; [info]sovay (Sonya Taaffe) I bet will have very smart things to say about this, and based on his excellent work on the roleplaying game Star Hero, I'm betting Cambias will also be excellent.

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[info]ckd
2008-02-10 03:51 am UTC (link)
Lawrence Schoen is [info]klingonguy, so I bet I can guess what angle he's going to come at the panel topic from. Heh.

(I should go to this just because of the Wasp shout-out....)

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[info]veejane
2008-02-10 04:17 pm UTC (link)
If just one apostrophe can be saved from the horrible abuse they suffer at the hands of SFF writers, then the panel will have been worth it.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-02-10 04:18 pm UTC (link)
Have you decided whether you'll be there?

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[info]veejane
2008-02-10 04:29 pm UTC (link)
I think I'll be springing for Saturday.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-02-10 04:32 pm UTC (link)
Cool, I hope to see you there.

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[info]yhlee
2008-02-10 04:24 pm UTC (link)
The Ubiquitous Apostrophe.

(I haven't updated that in ages, but...yeah.)

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[info]readsalot
2008-02-10 03:43 am UTC (link)
I agree with many of your assessments. If the omission you're thinking of on the TV panel is Terminator: TSCC, that's likely due to the panel having been proposed and described long before that show first aired. On the other hand, if it's Heroes (which I just thought of while writing this), that's a big goof.

I'll probably be going to at least one of the science panels to say hello to Guy, who's an old friend (and a very good speaker.)

I like the sound of The Appeal of the Lawless Elite.

I'm vaguely tempted to go to Bringing Elfland to Poughkeepsie to argue with their thesis, but that's not really the panelists' fault. LeGuin did not criticize mixing the modern with the high fantastic--she criticized writing high fantasy that was utterly mundane and un-fantastic.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-02-10 02:12 pm UTC (link)
I was first thinking of _Sarah Connor_, just because that's what's gotten the most enthusiasm that I've seen lately. I'd thought of _Heroes_, but didn't think it was new enough--but now I realize that _Supernatural_ is in its *third* season, so yeah, that's also a screaming omission.

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[info]lbmango
2008-02-10 04:15 am UTC (link)
I agree with you on Saturday at 2:00 what's up with that?

I may need to regroup with you afterwards to compare notes or something...

Also, it's going to be tough figuring out how I want to split my time between actually LEARNING something, and doing other things like playing board games that I've never heard of!

Should be a good couple of days.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-02-10 02:12 pm UTC (link)
You'll find your balance eventually. And built-in down time is a really really good thing.

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[info]cheshyre
2008-02-18 12:31 am UTC (link)
Good to know I wasn't the only one facing that Saturday 2pm dilemma.

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[info]marykaykare
2008-02-10 04:30 am UTC (link)
Arrrgh. The panel I most want to go to is opposite the one I'm moderating. Arrrgh.

MKK

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[info]desdenova
2008-02-10 05:02 am UTC (link)
Otis: Hidden Biases in SF

Why aren't there more blacks or Asians, Jews or Catholics or Muslims or Buddhists in even our most richly imagined futures?


I love it that at least four of the panel descriptions you've quoted here (including this one!) contain exactly such "hidden biases." It's like the con program is a cheat sheet for the panel!


Edited at 2008-02-10 05:02 am UTC

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-02-10 02:13 pm UTC (link)
You've prompted me to think about why I went "argh--bingo--headdesk" to this, and I'm making it a new post.

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[info]yhlee
2008-02-10 03:45 pm UTC (link)
I would love to see that post. Just sayin'.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-02-10 03:56 pm UTC (link)
Done. http://kate-nepveu.livejournal.com/301471.html

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[info]yhlee
2008-02-10 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Thank 'ee!

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[info]paoconnell
2008-02-10 05:02 am UTC (link)
Note on regional flavors of SF.

When I moved to NM, I was surprised at the number of SF&F writers that lived there: Williamson, Zelazny, George RR Martin, Donaldson, Melinda Snodgrass (chief writer for ST:TNG for several years), Saberhagen, Walter Jon Williams, Victor Milan, and so forth. I don't detect much New Mexican flavor in these authors' writings except maybe Williams (Days of Atonement) and Milan. I don't really know if these people moved to NM because the others were there, for the otherliness of the landscape there, or just moved there to get away from the people who would bug them while they were trying to write.

Neil Gaiman lives in Minnesota (and owns a SF&F bookstore in Minneapolis), but that connection may have more to do with American Gods than anything else. I'm not aware of any other SF&F writers in Minnesota, but they might be living in Lake Wobegon or something.

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[info]missysedai
2008-02-10 05:12 am UTC (link)
Neil Gaiman lives in Minnesota


Actually, he lives in Wisconsin...

(and owns a SF&F bookstore in Minneapolis)


...and doesn't own Dreamhaven or any other bookstore. He is, however, good friends with Dreamhaven owner Greg Ketter.

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[info]dilickjm
2008-02-10 05:33 am UTC (link)
Some have left that area, but the Scribblies were, for a long time, based out of Minneapolis. Any group that contains Brust, Bull, Shetterly, Dean and Wrede is definitely SF&F.

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[info]desdenova
2008-02-10 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Otis: The Rise of Modern Science

What happened in the Middle Ages which led to the rise of modern science? Why did it happen first in Europe and not elsewhere? How did science grow if the Middle Ages were really an "age of faith" without reason?

Guy Consolmagno, John Farrell, Michael F. Flynn

(Science in the Middle Ages is Flynn's Thing, which does not necessarily make for good panel.)


I don't know anything about the panelists, so perhaps they can salvage the panel, but the fact that the panel description incorrectly[*] assumes European primacy in the "rise of modern science" gives me severe doubts about its potential goodness.


[*]For those following along at home: the foundations of modern science--the scientific method, valuing observation & experiment over received wisdom, math--spread to Europe during the Enlightenment from the Arab world. To be sure, further development occurred in Europe, and that development is an interesting topic for study and discussion, but modern science emphatically DID NOT "happen first in Europe and not elsewhere."[**]

[**] It's not like I'm expecting everybody to have taken University courses on the history of science, but would it kill people to briefly consult Google or Wikipedia before opening their mouths and saying something stupid?

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[info]kate_nepveu
2008-02-10 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Guy Consolmagno is an astronomer, a Jesuit, and a funny and cool speaker. I don't know Farrell. Flynn wrote _Eifelheim_ (booklog).

I saw the tail end of Flynn's talk at the last Boskone, and I *think* he may have acknowledged the importance of Islamic libraries, but I might be conflating it with something else.

I was reading that as "What happened in the Middle Ages which led to the rise of modern science? Why did [whatever happened in the Middle Ages] happen first in Europe and not elsewhere?", and I didn't know what [whatever happened in the Middle Ages] was. If "it" in the second sentence was meant to be "the rise of modern science," yeah, there's some hidden bias there.

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[info]desdenova
2008-02-10 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Well, the rise of modern science *in Europe* was part of a wider societal trend connected to the fracturing of the monolithic power of the medieval Roman Catholic Church (the Reformation, the Renaissance, rise of the nation-state, humanist philosophy, modern science--it's all interconnected). So, asking why that happened in Europe and not elsewhere is tautological.

I suppose it could be generalized to "how the fragmentation of a monolithic power structure leads to the opening of society to outside influence and the pursuit of new (to that society) modes of thinking," but even then it's probably not correct to say that Medieval Europe is the first place that sort of thing ever happened.

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