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recommend me topical muscle-pain relief

For extremely tight muscles: menthol, menthol and camphor, or capsaicin? Bonus if you can vouch for non-stinky brands.

(No Aspercreme or equivalent.)


lbmango

2008-04-22 09:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

Bathtub with epsom salts?

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 09:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Not one of the options! Please to be reading the request, thx.

(Hot baths are Not Allowed for pregnant women, because you might cook the fetus.)

lbmango

2008-04-22 09:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

OOF I didn't know that! eeep sorry.

(and the question mark was to connote "why wasn't this one of the options?")

Can't really recommend anything else... except to say that I like the smell of mint. not that that matters on several levels.

Edited at 2008-04-22 09:59 pm (UTC)

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:09 pm (UTC) (Link)

(and the question mark was to connote "why wasn't this one of the options?")

Ah. Say that, next time? And I will say, "out of only these," and we will all have communicated a little more clearly!

papersky

2008-04-23 11:45 am (UTC) (Link)

I am so glad I only found this out now!

kate_nepveu

2008-04-23 11:50 am (UTC) (Link)

Since Z seems entirely uncooked, I'll just point to the "might"!

(Apparently the raise in core body temperature needs to be to about 101, 102 F; I have no sense of what that feels like and anyway am not much inclined to baths, so never bothered to try and figure it out.)

avitzur

2008-04-22 09:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

I use arnica. It is aromatic, though. To be honest, I've never been able to discern whether the benefit derives from the helenalins, or just from the massage and heat applying it.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 09:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

I don't know that one from looking at ingredient lists in CVS; what's it in?

avitzur

2008-04-22 10:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

I don't know. I get the extract at the local farmers market. As it's herbal, it's pretty much unregulated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica

avitzur

2008-04-22 10:08 pm (UTC) (Link)

Reading a little more online, there are mixed reports on whether or not it is considered safe to use even topically when pregnant.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Thanks for doing the extra reading. Since it wasn't one of the ones I explicitly cleared w/my doctor today, I was probably going to skip it anyway.

fledgist

2008-04-23 12:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

Arnica is very popular is Spain for sore muscles and sprains.

jonquil

2008-04-22 09:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

Capsaicin is good for me. Avoid ANYTHING with wintergreen listed as an ingredient.

I like Capszasin-P:

http://www.amazon.com/Capzasin-P-Analgesic-035-Percent-Capsaicin-1-5-Ounce/dp/B000FKGHBQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1208901181&sr=1-2

The extra-strength (not shown here) is best.

DO wash wash wash your hands after applying.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Why not wintergreen?

Thanks.

jonquil

2008-04-22 10:15 pm (UTC) (Link)

Because that's the horrible aromatic scent you're trying to avoid. Think Ben-Gay.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

Cool, thanks.

fledgist

2008-04-23 12:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

I'd second that.

leighdb

2008-04-22 09:56 pm (UTC) (Link)

I always favored a plain old heating pad, myself. Always worked better than any of that topical Icy-Hot-ish stuff for me.

That's for shoulder/back/leg pain, though. If we're talking about pregnant belly muscles, I don't know whether applying heat directly to the area is recommended.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hips, actually; sleeping on my sides exacerbates my hip bursitus like a mad thing. I'm getting PT (aka "torture") but would like something to do at home after stretches and, particularly, before bed, if it might possibly dull the pain enough to let me get to sleep faster.

Heat and ice on my hips seem to be okay, though I'll be keeping the heat limited.

leighdb

2008-04-22 10:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hmm, well, bursitis is different from strained/knotted muscles, from the little I know of it. A cursory Google leads to various WebMD-ish sites, all of which recommend ice rather than heat to relieve the symptoms.

I personally alternated between heat and cold for my back problems, which worked well for me. Cold to numb the pain, then heat to relax the muscles. Half the problem is other muscles adjacent to the problem knotting up in sympathy.

I suppose a cortisone shot is out of the question?

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

Fuck, I forgot to ask about cortisone. Well, I have another appt in two weeks, and anyway I'd probably wait until at least then to see how PT is doing.

(I've had them in the past and they helped some, *except* for the time when an idiot masseuse leaned hard on the tight muscles around it, which I think caused them to seize up so much that it undid the good effect; so I'm dubious whether one would help since I'd have to keep sleeping on that spot.)

My PT hit the spot today that I thought was the bursa, which has been causing me pain when I sleep on it, but she said it wasn't, the bursa is way too far down and it was the muscles. She said alternating ice & heat was okay for inflammation generally, though.

jonquil

2008-04-22 10:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

As far as heat goes, I've been very happy with the ThermaCare air-activated disposable heating pads. Some of 'em (the menstrual ones, I think) you adhere directly to the skin, others to the clothes over the affected area, either way you get an isolated heat source.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh, I love those for menstrual pain.

I meant to say that I was going to avoid those because they do tend to raise my body temperature generally, though I've never checked how much; but if body temperature isn't a concern, they *rock*.

leighdb

2008-04-22 10:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

If you really want to make it easy on yourself and don't mind spending a little cash, I highly recommend an automatic cold therapy cooler/pad system, like this one.

It may seem a little frivolous, but my mother has one and dude, that thing was a lifesaver last Christmas when I wrenched my back right before flying home. Much, much less problematic than dealing with ice packs all the time.

Hope you feel better, whatever you end up doing.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

I may recommend that to my mom, who has back issues . . .

Thanks.

missysedai

2008-04-22 10:24 pm (UTC) (Link)

NOT Capzacin-HP if your skin is in the slightest bit sensitive.

I had an exceedingly unpleasant experience.

Though I've yet to find something non-stinky, I find menthol very helpful when dealing with RA flares.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

Right, I'll avoid that for the moment. Thanks.

rachelmanija

2008-04-22 10:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

Tiger Balm uses camphor and menthol. It's quite effective, but stinky and makes the area feel very hot. Worth trying if you've never tried it; a lot of people swear by it.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 10:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

Thanks; now that you say it, I remember seeing people recommend it.

readinggeek451

2008-04-22 11:03 pm (UTC) (Link)

Tiger Balm (menthol and camphor) is wonderful, but as noted quite stinky. CVS Muscle Rub cream (menthol) is also quite good, but it, too, is rather smelly. I find the CVS cream to have a more pleasant odor; Tiger Balm smells of mothballs. When working, they both give a sensation I can only describe as a cold burn. Not unpleasant, but odd.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-22 11:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Thanks. I'm probably going to start with the purportedly non-stinky menthol creams. My PT used some Icy-Hot this morning and yeah, cold burn was pretty much it.

janni

2008-04-23 12:05 am (UTC) (Link)

If you can find a place that's affordable, massage. :-) Which I believe can be done in ways that are pregnancy-safe. (At least according to the local massage school where I get occasional massages.)

kate_nepveu

2008-04-23 12:07 am (UTC) (Link)

I get my torture from a physical therapist. =>

theweaselking

2008-04-23 12:35 am (UTC) (Link)

I'm a fan of general bog-standard Deep Cold-style liniments. They're what I used to use when I was fighting.

At the same time, I have no idea what the active ingredients were. And I prefered a hot bath followed by a standard amateur massage, when I could get it. So I'm really not helpful, here.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-23 11:51 am (UTC) (Link)

Sounds like menthol, probably, if they give a cold feeling. Thanks.

papersky

2008-04-23 11:49 am (UTC) (Link)

Tiger balm is menthol and camphor and works fine and is perfectly safe when pregnant (but I had hot baths too, fortunately not knowing I shouldn't) but it smells very strongly and gets on the sheets.

kate_nepveu

2008-04-23 11:51 am (UTC) (Link)

I specifically cleared menthol & camphor with the doctor. =>

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